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Family History Research – Clarkie Brown

November 23rd, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

Not much is known about Robert Lee Hucks’ first wife, Clarkie Brown. Lena T Hucks has her parents as John Brown and Rebecca Larrimore.  She has a FindAGrave listing that shows she is buried in the Oak Grove Church Cemetery in Britton’s Neck, Marion County, SC, the same cemetery that her in-laws are buried. Her tombstone shows she died on September 21, 1907 “in the 52nd year of her age”. Her son Jefferson lists her being born in Britton’s Neck on his delayed Birth Certificate. One would hope that he would know where his mother was born, but he filled it out shortly before he died in 1950 and it’s possible he got it wrong.

There is some conversation on Rootsweb about Clarkie’s father being Daniel Brown: “Not sure why but had her parents as a John Brown and Rebecca Larrimore (no dates just names)? from Lena Temperance Hucks. I can?t find them. But there is a Clarky Brown daughter of Daniel Brown. I really am beginning to think he is her father. Clarky?s daughters death certificate says Clarkie was from Horry County, SC. So I really think this is right. Over the years her age gets younger and younger.” She is also listed there on Rootsweb with the middle initial “S”.

Is it reasonable to think that the Clarkey Brown, born in 1847 in Horry County, whose father was Daniel Brown, is our Clarkie Brown? If so, it would mean that she was really 60 years old when she died, not 51-52 as her family thought when they made her tombstone. Also, did her husband Robert, who was 20-21 years old when they got married, really marry a 30 year old woman who had never been married before? (Or had she been married before?) In an era when 21 year old men–like her son Jefferson–are marrying 14 year old girls, was Robert so desperate that he married an older woman? And even though apparently (I haven’t seen a copy yet) her daughter’s death certificate says Clarkie was born in Horry County, I don’t put a lot of credence in that type of information as it is so often wrong.

So, how to resolve this? Maybe the Hucks books will help, once I get a chance to go to the Family History Library in SLC to view them, hopefully this coming week.  Lena got the name John Brown from somewhere and maybe I’ll find the source in her book. lists a variation of her name as Clarkie Brawn.

It apparently was common for folks from Britton’s Neck to marry folks from Britton’s Neck, and while Horry County isn’t far away (about 20 miles), it does beg the question “How did Robert and Clarkie meet?” if they weren’t neighbors? (Can you really do that, have two question marks in the same sentence? Did I mention I failed English a couple of times in school?)

I suppose I should search the 1860 and 1870 censuses for Britton’s Neck and see if there are any Browns or Brawns that show up. Be right back. Ok, no one jumps out at me in the 1870 census and the Browns I checked weren’t living near any Hucks families. If Clarkie was in her 52 year when she died in 1907, then she would have been born in 1853-1855, which would make her 14-16 years of age at the 1870 census. There aren’t any John Browns in Britton’s Neck listed in the 1860 census either (the population portion), but there is a John Brown in the 1860 non-population schedule, which makes me think John was what he was called but not his given name. Which brings me back to the idea that Clarkie might have been a nickname.

I’m not any closer at this point to figuring this out and it might turn out that Daniel from Horry was her father and truth is stranger than fiction and 21 year old Robert married 30 year old Clarkie and she reported herself as only 23 on the 1880 census when she was actually 33.  Adding to the fun is that Robert lists himself as 22 when he was 23. :-) Clarkie dies 27 years later and her family lists her as around 52, which doesn’t match with any census listing.

Next I’m going to try and track down Clarkie’s children’s death certificates to see what is listed there. James Minick Hucks’ death certificate lists his mother as Clarkie S Brown, born in–very hard to read–but I think it says Marion Co. John Whiteford Hucks’ death certificate lists his parents but not their birth places. He was born on 29 Oct 1876 in Marion County and died on June 26, 1951, and the informant was his wife, Eva Gibson Hucks.  Millie/Mellie Hucks Hatchel’s death certificate does show Clarkie being born in Horry County, but was likely filled out by her son.

Family History Research – Weekly Recap 11-23-2014

November 23rd, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

Well, what did I learn this week?

1) Where to start. Whether it be arrogance or ignorance, I tend to start off on my own and recreate the wheel.  Well, not entirely.  I have been using materials that my grandmothers (Hazel Vorkink, Mary Hucks) created or assembled as the basis for my research. This past week I’ve been focused on the John Robert Hucks family and there are plenty of unanswered questions. I’ve been using as my primary site, mostly for the census information. Only yesterday did I stumble on Rootsweb, which is a part of, and that led me back to’s list of genealogy books. Turns out that there are a couple of books, both written in the 1970′s that deal specifically with the Hucks line. Lesson learned…look to see if anyone has compiled/published a book on your ancestors. Oh, and Google searches are a great place to start. Use quotation marks for more specific results.

2) What to believe. As far as the Hucks line goes, plenty of mistakes have been made and are repeated in family trees that show up on and elsewhere.  Even the two books mentioned above are likely to contain errors, unverified info, or flat out guesses. I’m ok with that, and yet I see the need to go back over the same ground and double check it. Maybe it’s my background as an auditor. Regardless, I’ve learned to accept that not everything is a proven fact, certainly not census info, birth certificates, death certificates, or even tombstones. To err is human. After all, my grandmother Hucks, has “Lucille” her headstone and in fact her middle name was “Lucile.” Or is it a fact?

3) Keep at it. While genealogy is a popular hobby, it doesn’t appeal to everybody and the effort can be lonely at times. Fortunately, as far as the Hucks-Ammons-Bethune lines go, I have my mother to talk to and get some validation for what I am doing regarding our ancestors. I don’t expect my siblings to participate and so far none of my children have shown much of an interest. And it’s not like I am breaking new ground or blazing a trail. I am following the path trod by others and checking its accuracy and hopefully making the trail easier to follow for those who come after me.  There is SO much to be done when it comes to family history! I can’t imagine a bigger project. Perhaps my multi-year yard projects have helped prepare me for what I’m doing with family history as there are some similarities. I tend to have multiple projects going at once, much like working on more than one family line, and I’m ok with getting a little done here and there, without a sense of needing to complete the project to be satisfied with its progress. (I’m pretty sure my neighbors feel differently.)

4) Technology is cool. I’ve had on my To Do list scanning my grandmother’s genealogy books, as well as maybe her sister Florence’s book. As it turns out they have already been scanned and some are available via the site in PDF format. That’s very cool! I’m not worried about copyright issues so I am working on uploading them to maybe this site or the site.

5) Get to know your ancestors. It might sound a bit macabre, but on more than one occasion my mother has mentioned how our chats about family history are interesting as she anticipates seeing many of them in the not-too-distant future. And while I can wait a few more decades to meet them–God willing–it would still be a great accomplishment to know my ancestors back 4, 5, 6 or more generations on all my lines. To know them I first have to find all of them and I’ve got some lines where it goes back 10+ generations and others that stop at 5 generations.

6) I’d like to visit a site where it describes common life by US region by decade, going back to the 1700′s. For example, I would be interested to learn what life was really like in Marion County in 1850. No electricity, no indoor plumbing, most people couldn’t read or write, healthcare was poor, etc. How did they spend their time from the moment they woke up? What kind of clothes did they wear, what food did they eat, where was the outhouse, what did they really look like, and a hundred more questions. I would think that much of this information is contained in books, but it would make for a neat website to be able to dial in the specific time frame, locale, and economic stratus, etc., and come up with a description.

Family History Research – John Robert Hucks & Family

November 22nd, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

Just getting started reviewing the information on these this ancestor (and his family), Jefferson Dozier Hucks’ grandfather.  The family group sheet copies that I have were prepared by Lena Temperance Hucks and she cites her sources as the census, war records, and a family bible. Here’s how she lists the family:

John Robert Hucks, born 1813, Horry County, SC.

Anne Rebecca Larimore, born 1830, Marion County, SC.

Mary Ann Hucks, born 1847, Horry County, SC.

Anne Hucks, born 1850, Horry County, SC.

Rebecca Hucks, born 1852, Georgetown, SC.

Robert Lee Hucks, born 11 Oct 1854, Horry County, SC.

William Woodrow Hucks, born 3 May 1856, Horry Co. SC.

Vander Hucks, born 1858, Horry Co. SC.

Ellen Hucks, born 10 June 1860, Horry Co. SC.

Now let’s take a look at what we can find on the censuses about these two guys:

There is an 1850 census listing for a John R Hux 37, his wife Ann 20, daughter Anne 3, and another daughter Ann 6/12. Ann was a popular name in the family it seems. There is also a David Hucks 20 shown. At this time John is living at Prince George Winyah, Georgetown District, SC. Census taken 21 Aug 1850.

1860 – John R Hucks is right at the top of page 4 of the census for Britton’s Neck , Marion County, S.C. It was June 2, 1860 and the Hucks family was the 23rd group listed for that area.  The family is listed as John R Hucks, 47, Ann R Hucks 28, Ann H Hucks 10, Wm H Hucks 8, Robt L Hucks 3, Evander Hucks 3/12.

(I should note that I am using the transcription and not my own. Also, this Hucks family is living next to a bunch of Lowrimore families, which is important because it is likely that John R’s wife, whom I see listed as a Larimore in our family records, is likely a Lowrimore, just as Hucks is sometimes listed as Hux.)

1870 – Jno R Hucks is shown as age 62, Ann R 38, William W 18, Robert 13, Evander 10, Mary J C 7, Ann R 5, Charity Hucks 16.  Listed as part of Woodberry Township.

1880 – John R is listed as 69 and Ann R as 48, along with Agness A. R. 13 and Louise E 10. Also Ann H. Wallace 5, a granddaughter, is shown. The census is for Woodbury Township #14. The next family listed is Hucks Robert L. 22 and his wife Clarkey 23, their sons John W 3, Robert 2, James M 8/12. Census taken on June 4th and 8th 1880.

Everything matches perfectly! Nope. Let’s start with John R and will ignore the variant spellings.  We have our choice of year he was born, based on census listing, anywhere from 1808 – 1813. Robin Moore’s FindAGrave listing for John Robert Hucks shows his birth date as Aug. 14, 1810 in Britton’s Neck, SC.  Apparently he is buried in the Oak Grove Church Cemetery in Britton’s Neck. (Maybe I will drop her a note and see where she got her info.) The cemetery date would agree with the 1880 census in that John hadn’t yet had his 70th birthday at the time of the census. I’m not surprised that the 1870 listing is wrong as they census taker spelled his name Jno and it probably went downhill from there.  However, the 1850 and 1860 censuses both indicate he was born in 1812, in that supposedly the age they recorded was as of June 1st.  Still a bit of a mystery.

John’s wife’s age bounces around a bit, too, and I have a guess as to why. She’s 20 in 1850, 28 in 1860, 38 in 1870, 48 in 1880. If in fact she was truly just 18 at the 1850 census, that would mean she got pregnant with her oldest child (Mary) Ann when she was 14-15 years old. Unless Anne R was not his first wife! There is a John R Hucks shown in the 1840 census in Horry County. There are only 2 people shown in the household, a male and a female, both between 20-29 years old. Could it be that this female/wife dies sometime after (Mary) Ann is born in 1846-1847? John then marries Anne R (which Lena indicates happened in 1845), and they have another daughter at the end of 1849 or beginning of 1850. I realize it is a stretch, but it would also help explain all the Anns.  Yet another mystery.

Continuing on with Anne Rebecca Larimore’s story, there are many public trees on that shows her birth date to be 16 Sep 1831, which agrees with the later census listings. Sorry, no source shown at this point.  These same public trees show the oldest daughter to be Mary Jane, born 1847, and it would have to be before June 1 as she appears as “Anne 3″ on the 1850 census.  If, as Lena suggests with her info, the couple was married in 1845, then Ann Rebecca would have been 13 or 14 and John 33 or 34. Yikes! Not that it is much better if they marry in 1846.

The 1900 census shows an Ann R. Hucks, born Sept 1831, age 68, listed as Mother. The head of the household is John H. Woodberry 40, his wife is Luease E. 27, born Aug 1872. Ann is listed as having giving birth to 8 children, only 3 of which are living as of this census. Lena, who’s information for this family we’ve proven to be sketchy, suggests that there are five who should be living as of 1900. Could it be that Ann misunderstood the question? We know that William, Robert, Mary Jane and Louise E (Ellen) are still living because they show up on the census. Evander has died by then (1880), and we think Ann H. has too (1875). That leaves Anne/Mary Ann, and Agness Ann R.

Ok, so what about the oldest daughter? Is she Anne, Mary Ann, or Mary Jane? She only appears in the 1850 census. One of the public family trees lists her as being born in 1847 in Georgetown and dying in 5 Dec 1932. No married name shown. So, where would a 13 year old girl go in 1860? I guess we can’t rule out marriage, based on the age that Anne Rebecca likely got married. And, there’s no saying that she actually was born in 1847 and not 1846. So another almost 14 year old bride? Hmmm. How about she couldn’t get along with her step-mother Anne Rebecca and she left to go live with relatives? Or maybe she just died prior to the 1860 census. Lena’s info has her married to a James Larimore. Let me see what I can find on that road.

So, again Robin Moore seems to have some additional info, as per Mary Jane Hucks Laurimore’s FindAGrave site.  She was married to a William James Lowrimore/Larimore/Laurimore. (Take your pick.) It would appear that the Mary J.C. Hucks listed as a 7 year old in the 1870 census is Mary Jane, although technically she should have been listed as 6 because it appears her birthday was June 7th and they were supposed to report as of June 1st.  It doesn’t look to me that either Lena or the Ancestry public trees I saw have it right listing John’s oldest daughter as “Mary,” although I supposed it is possible that she was a Mary Ann (not Ginger) and she had a younger sister named Mary Jane. Why not? The alternative is that she was named Anne and had a younger sister named Ann, actually two younger sisters named Ann. Makes perfect sense to me. Bottom line is Lena appears to have it wrong on this one.

At this point we haven’t pinned down much. Let’s take a look at Ann H. Hucks, age 6 months at the 1850 census and fortunately age 10 at the 1860 census. Yay! Consistency! Gone as of the 1870 census when she would have been 20. What can we find? Lena has Anne Hucks being born in 1850–good so far, if in fact she was born in January–and marrying David Wallice, which is probably Wallace as there are Wallace families in the same Neck (pun intended) of their woods.

We’re in luck! The very next entry, although it is on the next page, of the 1870 listing for John R Hucks’ family is a Daniel Walis 22, his wife Ann H 20, and their son Francis A 1. Daniel, David, whatever. Close enough. Or is it? According to Lena’s info, Ann H dies in 1875. The 1880 census has a Daniel W Wallace living in the same area, only now his wife is named Rebecca and she’s 26 years old…and Frances A is now Frances A R and is a girl. Well, I’ve got no good answer for Frances’ sex change, and I wish I knew what the A R initials stand for as they show up more than once. And normally I would say a change from Ann to Rebecca suggests two separate individuals, only there are plenty of Anns in the picture, including a couple of Ann Rebeccas. As for the reduction in age of 5 years for Daniel’s wife? To me that means it’s his second wife. The 1900 census puts David Walis right back in between some Hucks families with Rebecka as his wife, though 4 years older. She is shown as having been born in 1853. Frances has flown the coop.  I’m leaning towards thinking that Ann died in 1875 and Daniel marries his second wife, Rebecca. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find any info on FindAGrave to support this and I don’t know where Lena got her info. Interesting to note that there is an Ann H. Wallace living with John and Anne in the 1880 census, suggesting the possibility that her mother Ann died in childbirth or shortly thereafter.

Let’s jump to one of John’s children that we are pretty certain about:  William W. Hucks was born May 3, 1852 in Horry County, SC. He married Mary Rebecca Sweet and unless she went by Fannie (per his death certificate) then he married a 2nd time after Mary died in 1907. (Per the Tucker/Hendrick family tree on his 2nd wife was named Frances.)  William died Jan. 23, 1936. This info can be found on his FindAGrave site.  The censuses were accurate, but Lena was not as she puts his birth 4 years later on the same day. School records show that  P. Parker swore before G. Woodberry that he taught poor children in January 1858 that included 2 of John R. Hucks’ children, Ann and William. This makes sense as William would have been 5, Ann 7-8. This helps us understand that Ann born in 1850 (or late 1849) was called Ann and not Mary Ann or Mary Jane.

So far we’ve got nothing much on the Anne, or Mary Anne that was born in 1846-1847 and we don’t know much else. Her younger sister (or half-sister) Ann H appears to marry Daniel Wallace and she dies around 1875. William is born in 1852 and is accounted for. That brings us to my direct ancestor, Robert Lee Hucks. See his page for his info.

After Robert is Evander. Lena has him being born in 1858, dying in 1880, no spouse shown. Evander shows up in the 1860 and 1870 censuses living with his parents, but is not present in 1880. (No record found in an search.) No FindAGrave info at this point either.

Mary Jane C Hucks I addressed earlier and is known to have married James Larimore.

Next is Ann R 5, per the 1870 census, Agness A R 13 per the 1880 census.  Is this the same person? Robin Moore, among others, links a Annie Rebecca Hucks Larimore to the family via FindAGrave. However, her birth date is shown as 29 Jul 1861. That’s a big spread…either she was born in 1861, 1864-5, or 1866-7.

As if this wasn’t already too complicated, I’m pulling some info from the Tucker/Hendrick Family tree on, always a challenge as there is no guarantee of accuracy. However, this tree does have some interesting bits of info, like some sources refer to Anne Rebecca Larimore as Anne Roene Larimore. Also this tree shows the oldest daughter born in 1848 as Sarah A and marrying James Murchison Larimore, born 1833. I have a hard time believing this, partly due to the James’ FindAGrave page lists his first wife as a Sarah A McColl, and he was Anne Rebecca’s brother, which meant he would be marrying his niece or step-niece.

This family tree also suggests that there was a John R Hucks, Jr. born in 1855. Interesting, in that as I think about it, Ann R lists 8 children, but if John’s oldest daughter was her step-daughter, then there would need to be another child. John Jr. doesn’t show up on any censuses, which would be accurate if he died as a baby/child before the census. Again, it’s unfortunate that this family tree has some inaccurate info, listing Robert as born in 1854, when the census indicates he was born in 1856-7. Perhaps John Jr. was born in 1854?

For more fun and adventure, let’s take a closer look at Louise E, shown as 10 during the 1880 census. I’ve suggested above that she could be the Luease Woodbury (born Aug 1872) that Ann R Hucks is shown living with in the 1900 census. I made that leap because Ann R is listed as Mother and there really isn’t any way she was John Woodbury’s mother. So, we come to the sticky point of how old is this Louise? Was she born in 1869-70 or 1872-3? We have census reports for both.  The Tucker /Hendrick family tree shows her marrying a 2nd time to William J Cribb, and there is a FindAGrave listing for an Ellen Cribb born Aug 25 1873.  Again, none of the dates match up, which could be attributed to poor memory of the deceased’s loved ones. Certainly it would help to get some additional documentation! And it’s entirely possible that Robin and others who post to FindAGrave have said documentation.  There is a death certificate for an Ellen W Cribb, parents Bill and Annie Hucks, 60 years of age, dated Oct 7, 1934. Which is totally weird because the tombstone of Ellen Cribb listed a few sentences ago clearly shows she died on Nov 13 1933. Two Ellen Cribbs, about the same age and living in the same area?  The 1930 census shows an Ellen W Cribb, age 57, married at age 17, head of household.  She has two sons, Meadows and Jimmie, living with her and those same two names appear in the 1920 census as living with her and her husband William J Cribb.  If all this info relates to the same person, then how do we reconcile the death certificate not matching the tombstone?

I’ve just stumbled across (actually googled) a book by Joseph Howard Hucks titled As I Knew Them that is apparently the source of much of the Hucks family info. There is a copy at the SLC Family History Library. Specifically it apparently contains info like John’s first wife was Sara Ann Tindall. She and John were married on 7 Oct 1847. She died on 28 Jun 1848.  They had a child, Sarah Mary Ann Hucks, born circa 1848 in Horry County, SC.  I have a couple of questions at this point.  I can buy that Sarah is listed as Anne in the 1850 census, but I have a hard time believing that she was reported as 3 if she was only 2, especially if her mother died in childbirth or shortly thereafter. Sara only lived 9 months and 21 days after her marriage, which is enough to have a child. Lena shows Sarah being born in 1847, which is possible if she was conceived out of wedlock. Still, she would have had to have been born prior to June 1st 1847 for the census to be correct in reporting her as 3. John then marries Anne Larimore, whom this book lists as Ann Roene Larimore, on 22 Apr 1849 and they have their first child, Ann H Hucks, on 25 Jan 1850, 9 months later. That birth date agrees with the census that shows her as 6/12 as of June, although she hadn’t quite made it to 6 months yet.

Other info listed (I’m getting this from a RootsWeb page that cites the book, as well as a deed transfer of the Mary Tindall, Rhoda Williams, John R. Hucks for his wife, and John G. Tindall to Samuel Tindall) is John birth date as 14 Aug 1810.  Ann Roene Lowrimore”s birth date is shown as 16 Sep 1831 in South Carolina.

Other info on the Rootsweb page: William W is listed as William Williams Hucks, born 3 May 1852, in Marion County. John Roberts Hucks Jr is listed as born 29 Mar 1855. Robert Lee Hucks born 10 Oct 1856 in Marion County. Evader born about 1860 in Marion County, Annie Rebecca “Becky” Hucks born 29 Jul 1861. Mary Jane C Hucks born 7 Jun 1863. Agnes Ann R Hucks, born about 1865. Louisa Ellen? Hucks born 25 Aug 1870.  As much of this information seems to have been gleaned from census records I have my doubts about its accuracy. For example, they are listing both an Annie Rebecca and an Agnes Ann R and that would mean that Ann Roene/Rebecca gave birth 9 times instead of the 8 that she lists in the 1900 census.  Also, she would have too many children with the name Ann or some derivation. No, I think that the better explanation at this point is these two Anns are the same person.


Today’s Weights Workout 11-21-2014

November 21st, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Exercise

I suppose I should wait until the end of November to check how I am doing against my goals, but I had a good workout today and I’ll report a bit early. This is what I put for my November goals:

Curl and Press – 10 reps with 50

Butterfly – Same, unless I get motivated and give 140 and 90 a try.  Hard to imagine being able to max this machine, but…

Lat Pull Down – 10 reps with 200

Seated Rowing – 10 reps with 190

Tricep machines – Same

Chest Press – 10 reps with 225.  Another machine that is going to be hard to max…300 lbs.


I changed up my workout a bit and decided to do just 1 set of 5. Here are today’s results:

Curl and Press – 5 reps with 50. Don’t think I can get more than 6, so getting to 10 will be next month.

Butterfly - 5 reps with 140 and 100 respectively. GOAL ACHIEVED.

Lat Pull Down – 5 reps with 200, but I can do 10. GOAL ACHIEVED, MACHINE MAXED

Seated Rowing – 5 reps with 200. I can probably do 8 at 200, 10 at 190. GOAL ACHIEVED, MACHINE MAXED

Tricep machines - 5 reps with 200. GOAL ACHIEVED, MACHINE MAXED.

Chest Press – 5 reps with 225.  Not going to make it to 10 reps by the end of the month.

I’ve also started to do some lower body machines.  Today I just did the leg press, 60 reps (10, 20, 30) at 400 lbs. GOAL ACHIEVED, MACHINE MAXED. Earlier in the week I did leg extensions, 10 at 180, 10 at 200. GOAL ATTAINED, MACHINE MAXED. Also, hamstring curls, 2 sets of 10 reps at 120.

So, of the 9 machine based exercises, I am maxing out 5 of them with at least 5 reps. The remaining four, butterfly both ways, chest press, and hamstring curl, are very difficult machines and it’s hard for me to imagine being able to max out on them.

Having said that, I believe that I am stronger today than ever before! The only question I have is about 15 months ago when was doing the Y Be Fit program and working out at BYU. The machines are a bit different and I wasn’t going to the Orem Fitness Center in there so I can’t truly compare. Still, to be 58 and be the strongest of any time in my life is pretty exciting!

As far as cardio goes, I’ve been pretty consistent the last few weeks with 20 minutes on the Helix Lateral Trainer.  The readouts at the end showed 2.3 miles and 230 calories burned at the end of October and today it was 2.67 miles and 274 calories. Cool. Heart rate once I’m warmed up ranges from 142-160 and I’ve got good wind control.

Interesting note: I’m losing some inches, slowly, but I am losing. Waist is currently about 38.5, so I can squeeze into my 38w 34l pants. Stepped on a scale at the dentist’s office and fully dressed with jacket and boots, 258. I’m figuring I’m still around 250, bare ass naked. I tell myself that I have lost 25 lbs of fat and put on 10 lbs of muscle, but maybe the only thing I’m putting on is myself.

Family History Research – Ancestor Pages

November 16th, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

For some time now I have believed that we’ll end up with a wiki page about our lives that includes text, images, audio and video. We have the technology now and are on the cusp of making it happen with the FamilySearch and sites, among others. I’m already faced with the challenge of what to do about my sister Lisa’s boxes of “stuff” that have been collecting dust for 16 years now. Photos, letters, slides, etc etc. Ugh. I love Lisa and want to remember* her, yet I can’t seem to start that project. Then there’s my dad. He died 13 years ago and while I don’t have near the physical material/media to review, there is still a story to be written should I so choose. And what about my mother?! She’s almost 82 and has plenty of memories and stories that haven’t been recorded, hundreds of hours of recorded radio shows and internet TV shows, modeling pictures, etc etc etc. Boxes and boxes and boxes.  Let’s not forget my own story. I know more about me than anyone else and who better to dig through the stuff and come up with a summary of me?

So, like any GIGANTIC, HUMONGOUS, OVERWHELMING, NEVER-GONNA-BE-FINISHED ELEPHANTINE project, I’m just going to take some small bites. Just a few steps down Lao Tzu’s thousand mile road. Hence the pages on this site for my grandparents, greats, great greats and beyond. Yes, most of this should end up on FamilySearch or Ancestry and maybe I will get to that or maybe I won’t. I’m not 100% pleased with FamilySearch at the moment due to the vast amount of bad info that well-intended folks have submitted and needs to be waded through.

Obviously the further we go back in time the less information each ancestor’s page will likely contain. I might even draw a line somewhere and limit the pages if there isn’t anything interesting to add beyond what a pedigree chart or family tree might contain.  If nothing else these pages will (hopefully) contain my research notes, thoughts and speculations.

*We have a family tradition on Lisa’s birthday where we measure up against the wall and see how much the young ‘uns have grown in the past year, and then we have pizza and root beer–our “Lisa Party” in remembrance of the times when I would take the kids over to her apartment so we could get some pizza and A&W out of the scrutiny of GeriLynn’s watchful eye.

Family History Research – Accuracy Apology

November 16th, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

It’s so unfair to look back in time and judge others based on the standards of our own time. So, in case there is someone in the future who is reviewing the accuracy of what I have listed on these pages, please be kind and recognize that perhaps you have access to better information than I have at the moment. Such is what I am finding with some of the work that others have done on the Hucks line (and other lines.)

I’m able to pull up images from censuses that until a few years ago could only be accessed via microfilm. I, too, have gone to a family history library and loaded up a specific film and cranked the wheel to advance the microfilm to the correct page and then peered at the fuzzy image to try and decipher what some census taker wrote 150+ years ago. Very painstaking and time consuming, which is why I didn’t do too much of it.  How easy it is for me now to click between images of, for example, the 1850, 1860, 1870 censuses for John Robert Hucks. To call those up on and open the 3 pages takes less than 2 minutes, whereas the old way would have taken at least an hour and one still would have had to print out the microfilm pages.

Sure, mistakes were made. I’m probably making some, too. I’ll try and correct those that I find and make a note of them for those that follow me.  Please be kind.


Family History Research – More Ammons

November 9th, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

Let me start off by saying that during the week I created a Family History main page on this site, which can be accessed by the tab at the top of the home page. I’ve also started to list my grandparents, great-grandparents, and beyond, each with their own page. I worked on Howard Haskell Hucks’ and Asa R Ammons’ pages the most this week. I’ve developed some interesting theories about the Ammonses dealing with marrying cousins. We’ll see how accurate they turn out to be. My intent is to develop biography pages for each of these ancestors.

So, Asa R or A R as he seems to have been known, was born in either 1824 or 1828, (I’m voting for 1824) and marries Caroline and has at least 6 children with her:

George Mck. -born 1844-1845. We get the Mck. from school records.  There is a G.M. Ammons showing as wounded during the Confederate War (Civil War for all you Yankees) and serving in the _____ South Carolina Volunteers.  After the war George marries Temperance and by the 1870 census has a 1 year old son Semore. It’s possible that Temperance (relatively rare name) could have been a cousin (first, second or distant) and daughter of Ervin Ammons. The ages are right. By 1880 Temperance and Semore are nowhere to be found and George is back living with his father AR, his step-mother Elender, and David Fondwell.

Sarah M. – born 1847-1848  In 1856 school records she is referred to as Sarah M. In 1857 there is no Sarah listed but there is a Martha. So, maybe Sarah Martha and she went by Martha? She is only listed with the family in the 1860 census and gone by 1870 at age 22.

JJ – born 1851-1852. There is a John that joins George and Martha in school records in 1857, so I’m betting this was John J. Ammons. He is only listed with the family in the 1860 census and gone by 1870 at age 18.

E – born 1855-1856. He is only listed with the family in the 1860 census and it’s possible that if his name was Ervin (there is another Ervin who is the son of Ervin and likely a cousin, about the same age) he is shown on the 1870 census living nearby to AR’s family with the Owens family. Still working on that one.

J – born 1857-1858. No other information yet.

David Fondwell – born 1861-1862.

Lots of time spent this past week on family history.



Selling The Dream

November 7th, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Musings, Network Marketing

Recently I heard the phrase “Selling The Dream” in reference to a Kyäni meeting that we were planning to hold and I was somewhat taken back.  That certainly wasn’t what I had in mind for the meeting, as I was thinking about presenting information about the company and its products. In fact, the powerpoint presentation that I had modified included very little information about distributor compensation.  I feel the Kyäni products are viable and can help people improve their health and should be the first thing people learn about. Also, I’m not a fan of bait and switch, inviting someone to learn about Kyäni and its products and subjecting them to 20-60 minutes of dialogue about how much money can be made as a distributor, or “The Dream.”  I realize that is the MLM industry standard and Kyäni independent distributors are no different than anyone else, but I’m still not comfortable with the approach regardless of how successful it might be.

Yet there is no denying that the majority of those who join a network marketing company do so because they bought the Dream. It wasn’t for the products–although it helps if they are good products–it is because they see dollar signs and start thinking about the Dream. Some companies go so far as to have their distributors create a photo collage of their Dream so they can stay motivated and working toward it. I get it. That works for many people outside of network marketing, too.  I guess what I find disturbing is that someone is earning a sponsor bonus / recruiting bonus when their prospect joins the company because they bought into the Dream. When they “wake up” from their Dream and realize that it’s still hard work and there is no easy road to success they will usually quit, as in 95% of them. Industry wide. If their company’s products are good they might continue to order, but the Dream is gone.

I admit it…it’s fun to Dream. There are few people who couldn’t use more money, success, fame or whatever rewards their Dream is made of. Lotteries are proof of this. Despite the impossible odds, millions of Americans every week plunk down cash for the Dream. Sure, the odds are better in network marketing, but for most people it’s still a crap shoot. Pay your money and roll the dice. Ask a few friends and relatives. See if you can get them to a meeting where they too will get hyped about the Dream. After all, that’s the job of an independent distributor, right?

Yeah, I know. Pretty cynical. My apologies. I’m merely swimming in the wrong pond and am a very little fish at that. The fish in this pond generally are happy to embrace the Dream.  They actually enjoyed The Secret.  They view the world differently than I do and are comfortable in this pond. To them “Selling The Dream” means giving someone the opportunity to swim in their pond. What they are really doing is looking for kindred spirits, people like themselves who want the Dream, need the Dream. And who have or can get the money to jump in. THOSE people aren’t bothered by the phrase “Selling The Dream” because they know that is the name of the pond and the name of the game.

Me? I guess I’ll just mind my own business (pun intended) and keep doing what I am doing, swimming along in the shadows and avoiding the bigger fish as best I can. Sure, I’ll let people know about the products, and hell, I’m driving an Audi A4! Man, I’m living the Dream!

Of course, it’s not mine. I’m just feeding off the scraps of someone else.

Does that make me a sucker (fish)?

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Family History Research – David Fondwell Ammons, Asa R Ammons

November 2nd, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Family History

No new information on Sallie Ammons as of yet, but with the help of Robin Moore I might have made the connection with David F. Ammons and his father.

During the week I was curious about the nickname “Fon” that is shown as Boyd Ammons’ father on his death certificate, as provided by Jefferson Hucks, Boyd’s brother-in-law and my great-grandfather.  From other records we know Boyd’s father’s name was David F. Ammons. According to the 1900 census David Ammons was born in March 1862.

DF Ammons Obit News and Courier
david ammons obit The StateDavid F. Ammons committed suicide on January, 20, 1906. The articles are interesting and a sad commentary about alcoholism and its impact.  Unfortunately, other than leaving a wife and several children, not much is mentioned about his family.

Cruising through the censuses I ran across a Fondwell Ammons living in Marion and about the same age in the 1870 census, although it’s off by one year, showing Fondwell as 9 instead of the 8 we would expect if he had been born in 1862.  Oddly, the 1880 census lists Fondwell as 16, which actually supports the idea that his father, who is listed in this census as “Azer”, might not have been great on birthdates and could have gotten it wrong on the 1870 census also.

Another piece of the puzzle was provided by Robin Moore related to Forfeited Lands, where we see a D. Fondwell Ammons losing property as a result of unpaid taxes. reports and resolutions

Now might be a good time to bring up Southern dialect and how some of these names might be pronounced, and how it impacts the census listings. It’s understandable how Asa could be heard as Azer, and how Ammons might be heard as Almons or Almonds. By the same token, Fondwell might be heard as Fonwell, hence the nickname Fon.

For the time being I am going to assume that David F. Ammons was indeed David Fondwell Ammons, son of Asa R. Ammons.  So, what do we know about Asa R other than the census takers twice reported his name as Azer?

His age by census: 1880 – 56, 1870 – 46, 1860 – 32…makes me think he was born about 1824 and the 1860 listing was a mistake. I don’t know when he dies and there aren’t any listings on Find A Grave for him, but it’s possible that his death was related to the forfeited land in the mid 1880s.

What about Asa’s family? In addition to Fondwell, the 1880 census lists a wife Elender, 54, and a son George M, 34.  The 1870 census only lists a 16 year old Fondwell (was there a reason he wouldn’t have wanted the government to know that Fondwell was actually 18 at the time?).  It is interesting to note that there is a 43 year old Elender Hill living at the next home in the census, apparently single and living with another woman. Could Fondwell’s mother have died and this Elender become Asa’s future wife? The 1870 census shows a 24 year old George M. Ammons living on the other side of Elender’s home, with his wife Temperance (19) and 1 year old son, Simone(?).

The 1860 census shows an A. R. Ammons 32, his wife C Ammons 32, son Geo 15, daughter S M 12, son J J 8, son E 4, son J 2. David Fondwell would be born about 2 years later.

Just spent some time looking for more info on Asa and found some references in the public family tree section of Several user submitted trees list Asa R’s father as Asa Ammons, born circa 1804, mother Mary McDaniel Ammons  born 1805. Several of these trees contain lots of names from what looks like descendants of Asa R’s siblings. However, his listed elder sibling/brother, Thomas, shows a birth year of 1818, which means his parents were 14 and 13 respectively. There is a Thomas Ammons shown on later census info born around 1838 and I wonder if someone in the extended family just typoed the birth year and no one questioned it because Thomas was not their direct relative.

Specifically, the Tucker / Hendrick family tree shows Asa Ammons born 1804, died 28 May 1863. Wife Mary McDaniel born about 1806. (Another of the related family trees shows Mary’s death as 27 Nov 1890 in Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia.)  Asa’s father is listed as John Thomas Ammons, Birth Abt. 1748 in North Carolina, Death 17 JUL 1817 in Marlboro County, South Carolina. Asa’s mother is shown as Bertha, Birth 1758 in Virginia, Death BEF. 1817 in Marlboro County, South Carolina. (Asa’s siblings are listed as well in this family tree but I won’t list them here.) 

John Thomas Ammons’ father is shown as John Ammons, Birth 1694 in Switzerland, Death 1761 in Edgecombe County, North Carolina. His mother is shown only as Rosina, Birth 1705, Death 1777 in Edgecombe County, North Carolina. Again, John Thomas’ siblings are listed.

Back to Asa R.: The Ammons Family Tree in the family tree section of Ancestry, shows his wife as Annis, no other info on her.  The same source…which appears to come through Ervin’s line (the 4 year old son shown in the 1860 census), lists Ann Ammons 1845, George M Ammons 1846, Temperance Ammons 1851, Ervin 1855, Fondwell (as a female) 1861, Semore 1869.  No one ever said genealogy was an exact science!

Here’s what I think–at the moment: While there is an Annis Ammons and an Ann Ammons listed in the 1870 census near where Asa R Ammons is living, I don’t believe that Annis was ever his wife nor Ann his daughter. I think that Asa R. was married to a C (I remember seeing Caroline somewhere the other day but can’t find it now) and she died or divorced after Fondwell was born and before the 1870 census. George M Ammons marries Temperance and they have a son Semore. Asa R. marries Elender before the 1880 census, at which time George M has moved back in with them and Fondwell is still living there. No mention of Temperance or Semore. Nor do I have a clue as to what happened to the other 3 of David Fondwell’s siblings, a sister and two brothers. does show a record of an Asa Ammons, spouse Mary McDaniel, that was sourced from CSA 8th SC Compiled Service Record. 

Next week I will try and figure out what happened to David Fondwell’s siblings.






Today’s Weight Workout 10-28-2014

October 28th, 2014 | No Comments | Posted in Uncategorized

It’s been almost 4 weeks since my last update and here are the changes:

Curls and Shoulder Press- Went from 10 reps with 35 lbs to 8 reps with 45 lbs. Ending set went from 5 reps with 45 lbs to 5 reps with 50 lbs.

Butterfly and Reverse Butterfly – No change.  10 reps with 130 lbs and 80 lbs respectively. Not ready to increase the weight.

Lat Pull Down – Went from 10 reps with 180 lbs to 8 reps with 200 lbs. MAXED THE MACHINE!

Seated Rowing – Went from 8 reps with 170 lbs to 8 reps with 180 lbs.

Seated Tricep Pushdown – No change. MAXING THE MACHINE at 10 reps with 200 lbs.

Standing Triced Pushdown – Went from 10 reps with 180 lbs to 8 reps with 200 lbs. MAXED THE MACHINE!

Chest Press – Went from 7 reps with 180 lbs to 8 reps with 210 lbs.


It’s been just over 3 months since I rejoined the Orem Fitness Center and started lifting in earnest again. I’m pleased with my progress, although there have been times in these 3 months that I haven’t been able to lift as often as I think I should. But the results are good, so maybe it worked out (pun intended) for the best.  I very pleased to be MAXING THE MACHINE on 3 of the lifts and have also been able to work up to curling the 50s.  Hopefully at the end of November I will be able to:

Curl and Press – 10 reps with 50

Butterfly – Same, unless I get motivated and give 140 and 90 a try.  Hard to imagine being able to max this machine, but…

Lat Pull Down – 10 reps with 200

Seated Rowing – 10 reps with 190

Tricep machines – Same

Chest Press – 10 reps with 225.  Another machine that is going to be hard to max…300 lbs.

As far as cardio goes, I’ve been pretty consistent the last few weeks with 20 minutes on the Helix Lateral Trainer.  The readouts at the end show 2.3 miles and 230 calories burned, but that amount isn’t adjusted for my 250 lbs and I’m guessing the true calorie burn is closer to 300-325. Then 10 minutes on a regular elliptical, 5 minutes each direction. 150 calories burned. The 450 or so calories burned is a far cry from the 2000+ I was hitting a couple of months ago, but this amount doesn’t wipe me out for the rest of the day. My heart rate ranges from 145-163 during the 30 minutes and I feel good, like I’m in a slow jog. Wind is good and sometimes I slow it down only because at 163 I am at 100% of my suggested maximum heart rate and there’s no reason to push any harder. Thank you Boston for the accompanying workout music.